Subject	Drivability is more the intake setup than anything.
Posted by	xybertron on November 07, 2003 at 5:11 PM
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In Reply To	Re: Thats as educated as you get until they let me post the maps posted by NytWolf on November 07, 2003 at 04:52 PM
Message	I don't see a problem with drivability on any of the chips. Safety and power is my major concerns. There is a fine line between them and then it sways one way or the other. JWT has a proven they have a good happy medium. Ash will only tell over time - nothing really sticks out as scary to me. I still don't like his DOOLZ chip but I have yet to test it real world unlike him so I'll just not go there until I can prove it has a problem.
Follow Ups	Do you think that an ECU comparo between 3 different (contd) - Milo (Sport Z Magazine) 14:17:32 11/07/03 I think an unbiased test would be great (n/m) - mickiemagik(OH) 14:19:43 11/07/03 BIG 2nd - NytWolf 14:51:24 11/07/03 Yes, very good idea. (n/m) - boileralum 14:30:25 11/07/03 Somehow I think JWT isn't concerned - Janders 14:32:07 11/07/03 Re: Somehow I think JWT isn't concerned - ghoztt 14:40:59 11/07/03 In order to do it right, you need the following: - Stealth021 14:35:17 11/07/03 bravo!!! - NytWolf 14:44:44 11/07/03 Re: In order to do it right, you need the following: - Kenny 14 psi 14:47:16 11/07/03 Re: In order to do it right, you need the following: - sasha 15:10:38 11/07/03 Make sure to use some scientific experimental methods. - shirow 14:37:03 11/07/03 4. use multiple cars - Janders 14:48:06 11/07/03 How about a professional experimental design? - woreilly 16:30:05 11/07/03 I think it would be great, Not sure what "stage" car to use - aZiator 14:39:22 11/07/03 I was thinking a stage 3 would be the most practical. I - Milo (Sport Z Magazine) 14:49:56 11/07/03 What would conclude that one is better than the next? - AshsZ 14:45:43 11/07/03 Or you could send the standard Stage III chip - kryptonite729 14:49:24 11/07/03 I thought that would be the comparison he is speaking of. (n/m) - AshsZ 14:51:55 11/07/03 It is but your post seemed confusing - kryptonite729 14:56:59 11/07/03 My point is that testing for 'x' in an ECU is not - AshsZ 15:16:41 11/07/03 Points taken, but - NytWolf 15:25:49 11/07/03 You are right. I have done LOTS and LOTS of benchmarking. - Marshall 15:34:27 11/07/03 May I have this dance? - NytWolf 15:20:40 11/07/03 I have 8 different programs for 555 injectors. - AshsZ 15:22:38 11/07/03 So the test should remain standard stage III car - kryptonite729 15:25:35 11/07/03 AGREED on my part (n/m) - NytWolf 15:26:51 11/07/03 How about I send a ZEM and let the program be tuned - AshsZ 15:27:39 11/07/03 After 5 months I wondered the same thing :-) (n/m) - xybertron 15:35:02 11/07/03 offer your best ECU with a comparable price to the others it - Janders 14:50:32 11/07/03 I'd sell it for $550 if it were comparable. But we sell - AshsZ 14:52:25 11/07/03 Honestly, wasn't going to make price an issue Janders. (n/m) - Milo (Sport Z Magazine) 14:57:05 11/07/03 As long as you keep it within reason - Janders 15:06:50 11/07/03 um. dhu. (n/m) - Kenny 14 psi 15:09:44 11/07/03 I would need the company standard for a stage III no more - Milo (Sport Z Magazine) 14:56:18 11/07/03 gee .. here I thought all along Stillen sold the JWT chip (n/m) - Guapo 15:02:14 11/07/03 n00b. Stillen's has a sticker. (n/m) - Kenny 14 psi 15:05:23 11/07/03 oh .. my bad (n/m) - Guapo 15:06:05 11/07/03 ...a $100 + sticker (n/m) - Janders 15:09:12 11/07/03 If you want unbiased you would need to be an anonymous - Z Wang(Austin) 15:07:13 11/07/03 Which was my point. I dont know anyone with the BS - AshsZ 15:20:46 11/07/03 I've seen several post saying they received it. - kryptonite729 15:27:01 11/07/03 Still haven't seen any numbers from it??? (n/m) - speedr300z (ATL) 19:32:30 11/07/03 Re: What would conclude that one is better than the next? - sasha 15:13:10 11/07/03 You forgot to list Ash :) (n/m) - NytWolf 14:54:42 11/07/03 Tard. Russel = Z1 = Ashz. (n/m) - Kenny 14 psi 15:00:19 11/07/03 then I don't see any reason for his responding (n/m) - NytWolf 15:11:17 11/07/03 You must be more of a newb then your join date would suggest (n/m) - Snoguitar 15:12:51 11/07/03 I get your point - I was suggesting that Ash shouldn't (n/m) - NytWolf 15:14:58 11/07/03 Says the man with a fuel leak and no det sensor. (n/m) - xybertron 15:20:51 11/07/03 lol (n/m) - therinL 15:24:35 11/07/03 And your point is? - NytWolf 15:30:50 11/07/03 I think such a comparison would be relatively pointless. - Marshall 15:15:58 11/07/03 Exactly. (n/m) - Z Wang(Austin) 15:21:21 11/07/03 Which means they would have to request the program - AshsZ 15:26:13 11/07/03 You have good arguments - NytWolf 15:35:46 11/07/03 Re: You have good arguments - Marshall 15:40:28 11/07/03 That's why there was an argument for Stage III testing - NytWolf 15:44:57 11/07/03 I cater for different fuel types, intake config, - AshsZ 16:01:44 11/07/03 U cater specifically for Apex, JWT POP, HKS, etc? I said - NytWolf 16:10:22 11/07/03 dual/single, but there are bigger differences based - AshsZ 16:18:34 11/07/03 would there still be a difference if I ordered the 3 ECU's - NytWolf 16:22:21 11/07/03 I'm not sure what you are asking, or I at least am not - AshsZ 16:30:53 11/07/03 Perhaps I am talking in simpler terms than you have thought - NytWolf 16:44:55 11/07/03 Sorry, I can't entertain you anymore. - AshsZ 16:53:20 11/07/03 I would love to chat with you in person - believe it or not - NytWolf 16:55:30 11/07/03 I realized that. :) Which is why I shut up. - AshsZ 16:58:55 11/07/03 My reply. - Milo (Sport Z Magazine) 15:45:19 11/07/03 I want more than JUST dyno - NytWolf 15:46:59 11/07/03 I could crash test them... if you want? (n/m) - Milo (Sport Z Magazine) 15:55:51 11/07/03 hahahaHAH too bad, the gov't already did that (n/m) - NytWolf 15:57:10 11/07/03 vt - genic 16:03:33 11/07/03 D - NytWolf 16:12:15 11/07/03 Its all what people want. - xybertron 16:11:52 11/07/03 Here we go again - NytWolf 16:17:14 11/07/03 I like reverting to historical data. - AshsZ 16:23:42 11/07/03 That is still your claim - we want unbiased data - NytWolf 16:25:01 11/07/03 Well, I have a stack of JWT eproms here from people who - AshsZ 16:32:59 11/07/03 Do you offer a satisfaction guarantee? - NytWolf 16:45:47 11/07/03 Actually, I do. (n/m) - AshsZ 16:53:55 11/07/03 Thats as educated as you get until they let me post the maps - xybertron 16:28:34 11/07/03 I'll contest the '....heat is a no-no' claim. - AshsZ 16:52:30 11/07/03 You and I both know your running more timing than JWT. - xybertron 17:01:44 11/07/03 Depends on where you are looking. Remember, everything - AshsZ 17:12:45 11/07/03 Re: Thats as educated as you get until they let me post the maps - NytWolf 16:52:35 11/07/03 Drivability is more the intake setup than anything. - xybertron 17:11:01 11/07/03 I'm leaving now.. I'm going home to my life. (n/m) - AshsZ 17:19:22 11/07/03 knock sensor off? - AshsZ 16:21:10 11/07/03 As far as I can tell... - xybertron 16:31:31 11/07/03 I know the knock sensor works with my JWT... - Funky 16:35:34 11/07/03 Well I need to clarify then. - xybertron 16:42:51 11/07/03 I'm running an OBD-II JWT ECU for my '96... - Funky 16:46:36 11/07/03 I'm talking about ODB-1 stuff. - xybertron 16:54:40 11/07/03 Yes, I'll be interested to see. (n/m) - Funky 16:56:00 11/07/03 Depends on what program you are looking at. (n/m) - AshsZ 16:54:59 11/07/03 Summarize for us. - xybertron 17:03:34 11/07/03 I'll save it for a rainy day. (n/m) - AshsZ 17:09:33 11/07/03 It has been raining here for a while. :-) www.weather.com - xybertron 17:11:58 11/07/03 From what I see, Ash's chip is safer - Kez43 (25mpg) 21:18:45 11/07/03 Really? - xybertron 06:17:57 11/08/03 ::shrug:: That's what Ash told me - Kez43 (25mpg) 14:36:29 11/08/03 vtd - Spee 16:55:39 11/07/03 My dB meter is loving it.. - AshsZ 17:00:43 11/07/03 A comparison would be most useful to me if it gave reasons - scottwerks 18:40:31 11/07/03 man thats long!! ^^^^ (n/m) - JunomeanGF 23:23:28 11/07/03 I'm buying either a BS or ASH chip in the coming months... - StormShadow 00:31:09 11/08/03
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